The choice to red flag this is yours. You own this forum.
The business decision to award 2 MacBooks instead of one is ours as we own our business.
Since bidtowin does not own our company either it seems inappropriate that his opinion of what we have done and or have not done for other people should not be taken as gospel. He has no idea exactly of all the facts and to what extent we have gone through for other people. He simply is a customer not an employee.
You are right this is your business and you can make whatever decisions you like, you could even pack up and run off with everyone’s money like many others have done that is your decision. You have already made it clear that your decisions are based upon profits and not ethics with this statement you made "To expect us to refund these parties due to a very convenient glitch occurring rather than keep the profits is ridiculous in this matter".Yes I am a customer and by your display of greedy self-serving decisions I think you will have a lot fewer customers.
I do have knowledge of many of the FACTS unless your Partner and Programmer were lying. In addition all the as you call them glitches have been documented and recorded. I have been at this a long time do not underestimate what I do or do not know. One thing I do know is you are leading yourself quickly down the path of self-destruction.
No one was cheated out of any money in this auction whatsoever. Do you see anyone complaining but him? He is receiving his win. If we decide to give out a 100 MacBook’s to 100 people and not to all our customers that would also be our choice. Would you still "red flag" us in your forum?
Actually you should rethink that last statement, the fact is according to your partner there were numerous complaints and you did refund some bidders all their bids back as well as one other a partial refund, Also the bidder that opposed me was so irate that you banned him from your site, so if someone rightfully questions your ethics they are immediately banned? Sorry but your partner really spilled the bean and now you are just looking like a dishonest business man.
We will not allow a private FORUM owner, like yourself, to ever dictate policy to a private SITE owner, like ourselves. It is not your company. Likewise we as a site owner have absolutely no standing to dictate policy to you a forum owner. We would never attempt it.
There is a line neither one of us should cross.
Amanda was not dictating anything and for you to now attack her for suggesting what the industry standard has been for situations like this is deplorable and again demonstrates pure ignorance. The primary purpose of the forum is to help POLICE the ethics of this industry and help weed out the crooks and warn others.
I can understand if people where cheated in our auction, but that wasn't the case at all and we are in contact will all people who had a dime at stake in that auction.
You cannot tell us that we MUST CANCEL and void an auction since it is strictly your opinion of how we conduct our site. That is like us telling you what you must put in your forum.
Would you be offended if I told you must discontinue to have penny auction sponsors advertising on your site if you are to truly be considered an objective source of information? Of course you would be. It is your site and we have no business dictating policy on how you run your company.
You are entitled to have business make you a few dollars and so are we.
You are not in contact with all parties I called you twice only to be told you are working on it and to date I have heard nothing official from you. I cannot speak for Amanda but the purpose of this forum is for the sake of suggestions. It is obvious that you have no respect for PAW or their members which your partner made clear to me. Sad really especially considering how much PAW has helped you getting started. Frankly you should be listening very carefully to what PAW admin and it members are saying as a collective voice they have way more experience than you in this industry. Since you do not respect this forum why should it matter?
If someone was hurt or cheated you may have had a valid point. But as you can see they only complainer is Bid to Win who is getting his MacBook, but PREFERS a refund because he overbidded by so much in order to intimidate other buyers.
If you condone his actions and support them then you are basically saying that his tactics are perfectly acceptable and ETHICAL.
See you just do not get it this has NOTHING to do with how many bids someone used, 1 bid or 1000 bids the end result should be the same. In fact one of the several bidders that got their bids refunded on this auction only had 7 bids in and your partner stated that you guys justified it because this bidder only had a small amount of bids invested so we should assume in this case since it did not really affect YOUR PROFIT that it was justified. Please explain to all of us why it is fair to return bids to several bidders and not others???
Why does bid to wins even need to know if we refunded people bids or not? He won his auction. Am I to believe that he is such a wonderful human being that he really cares about other people?
He cares so much that he will RUTHLESSLY do everything is his power to scare them away from bidding against him.
Are you sure you want to be seen as siding with this guy Amanda?
Good question why did you disclose to me all the people that had their bids refunded, you were busted, are these bidders shills maybe??? It is also interested how you have completely avoided the questions about the 4 auctions that were supposed to be canceled, it is clear you cheated those folks also not to mention all the previous auctions that issue was happening in.
Amanda is not taking sides because of me she is taking a stand on morals, ethics, integrity, and fairness, as history shows if she disagrees with me she makes it very clear. By the way Amanda is not to only person here that agrees with her recommendation so far all have it is a good thing you are not running for any political office.
If I am so self-serving and ruthless why have I spent the last 1.5 years here helping other here, in fact I spent nearly an hour talking to your programmer suggestion changes to the site that would only benefit the site and not the bidder. If I am so selfish why did you immediately implement those changes to your site, fact is those changes made you money. However after talking with your programmer and hearing all the complaints he has about your software and him disclosing all the bugs it did leave me a bit concerned regarding your potential longevity in this industry, especially since he disclosed that you agree you need to throw this script away and start over but he did not think you could afford it, with that said you are sure auctioning a lot of high end product for a new site. I maybe ruthless on the auction block and yes I win at all cost, that should have no relevance, but I have also paid it forward to many times to count and given a lot back to this industry
I would think about it. If you take a poll I am sure most people would agree with us and not him.
Dude so far no one has agreed with you, have you read the entire thread. Man is this reminiscent of another Florida PA that came and went (zoogboo) this guy sounds like the same owner and look what happened there, they made unfair unethical decisions and then blamed the forum members for challenging them then they ran off with everyone’s money because they lost so many customers.