Lowest unique hints from Smartbids wrong.
What I did not expect was for the site that offer you a bid range hint for the lowest unique bid as a hint when you bid to lie about it.
$25 bid pack I started at 11 no, HInt between 1 and 6cents; bid 3 same hint bid 5 same hint bid 6 same hint; bid 2 not the lowest but I knocked the lowest off, new hint Lowest unique is between 7and 14 cents.
I bid 12cent s same hint pops up but now I cannot bid because the auction is closed. winning bid was "4cents" What why did it tell me to try between 7 and 14 then.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Are there any warnings about this site?
I haven't be able to find anything yet other than they are slow to ship.
if the site owner is sees this you should create a better FAQ listing length of time to pay and better contact info.
Welcome to SmartBid! Thank You for trying our auctions - this is a great question. Let's see if I can answer this properly.
The hints are always shown around the current lowest unique but it doesn't guarantee there are no holes - what I mean by that is when you were bidding no one had bid on 4 cents. And at that time, current lowest unique was indeed 2 cents. When you bid 2 cents, that no longer was unique and the current lowest unique (LU) shifted to 7 cents - not 4 cents ( since no had bid 4 cents!). So the hint was correct about where the current lowest unique is. After you bid, dman came in and bid a bunch including 4 cents which no one had bid and was lower than current LU 7 cents - so it became LU.
Now, the question is how dman did it?? Here is the secret of winning - you always want to make sure there are no holes in the board. So what he did like most other smart bidders do, bid in range (meaning bidding in sequence without any holes). This can be costly but very effective in exposing holes which other bidders might have skipped. Hope this explanation was clear - feel free to ask any question.
If your program had not misled me I would have bid the 4cents before moving on to the 7 cent mark. I am on PA sites to save money as much as possible not waste it so multibidding is counter productive to that end for me; if 3 bids are left in and auction why would I want to bid 5?
I am already concerned that of the $80 bucks I've spent on your site that the one thing I have gotten is a $10 Amazon e-card that for some reason I still have not received. these should be sent out rather quickly in my opinion I should not have to wait more than a few hours, I mean you have already got the money from the auction and its not like someone has to purchase and mail a physical card. Its been over 48 hours since I won the auction at the time I am submitting this post.
A better resolution to my issue needs to be found.
As a third party here is my opinion. I see how you could have misunderstood the clue provided, but it does not appear that it was intended to trick you. SmartBid can learn from this and make the clue easier to understand.
As far as what they do to resolve the misunderstanding is completely up to them.
Just thought I would be nosy since I am supposed to be doing really boring paperwork.
If their was only one unique bid on 4cents or even if there was no bid on 4cents and it was the lowest open bid the range should have been expanded to include that number or the bid range provided is entirely false. While 7 was indeed a unique bid it was a higher available unique bid and not the lowest. If the hint had read Lowest unique range 1 to 14 for example that would have been a true statement.
As to what they also said about dman coming in after had bid that was also false as he was most likely bidding at the same time since all this happened in a matter of a few minutes.
I will even concede that dman may have placed the 4 cent winning bid before or as I placed the 7 cent bid, because when I placed that bid I immediately went to place my next bid when i saw the hint had not changed and the auction had closed.
Either way, the hint should still have been expansive enough to include the 4 cent bid.
As I stated earlier I expect a learning curve before I can start to succeed with any amount of success I just expect that the information provided to me by the company to not be false or misleading, I can fail well enough without their help.
From a strategy perspective, you plan what you are going to cover, and leave open, and when you are going to cover it, based on who you are playing against, and how you want to try to win. The hints only report what is going on, at the time you place your bid. Usually, things change quickly as the auction approaches its end. That's what makes the play so challenging.
Edited by muchomaas, 10 November 2011 - 11:46 PM.
Having said this, Avatarrxxxx let's talk about what can we do here in the support email. We appreciate the hints discussion here in PAW and would be open to hear more opinions around it. This is one of the reasons we love PAW memebrs so much! We are celebrating "Veteran's day" tomorrow and giving away "VETERAN" coupon code for 10% bonus. And muchomass and babyfidegette, we haven't seen in a long while! Everything good at your end?
They still won however, as they left other blanks in the board to protect themselves...so each time I was bidding on numbers higher than a blank they had held onto, they would click that blank and do this again and again, until they won. Its a tricky strategy and very impressive indeed.
Thanks and I hope this helped a bit.
Whomever it is that set the board up like that probably left holes all through the board, in case his bid on #4 failed to end the auction, in which case, SMARTBID should have then provided you with a clue to find that #4. This has happened to me so many times. I thin I am getting closer to winning and then suddenly, the clue drops back down to the single digits!! Live and learn.....so they say, but in all honestly I still can't beat this is many cases and don't know if there is really a way to do so, other than to bid every number on the board between your last clue and your next. Which another earlier respondent pointed out an commented on how horribly expensive it is to protest youself.
Been less than zero. But your explanation
Made it crystal clear and I "got it" just wanted to say thank you!
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